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Etienne Gelineau Dit Daniel

Baptême (Baptism)

1824

Marieville, Québec (Quebec)

St-Nom-de-Marie and Ste-Marie-de-Monnoir

epoux d'Elisabeth:


1861 census:  

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Eteanna Geleneau [Etienne Gelineau]  [Eleanu Gelineau]

Male

51

1810 [1830]  [1820]  [1819]

Lower Canada

Married

Chambly, Canada East

C-1271

199

[th]Name[/th][th]Age[/th] Eteanna Geleneau 51

1861 census



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[th]Name:[/th][th]Gender:[/th][th]Age:[/th][th]Birth Year:[/th][th]Birthplace:[/th][th]Marital Status:[/th][th]Home in 1861:[/th][th]Film Number:[/th][th]Page Number:[/th][th]Household Members:[/th]

Elizabeth Ele??tey [Elizabeth Ele??dey]  [Elizabeth Ethier]

Female

29

1832 [1816]  [1820]  [1821]

Stats Unis

Married

Chambly, Canada East

C-1271

199

[th]Name[/th][th]Age[/th] Elizabeth Ele??tey 29

1861 census

40	Eteanna	Geleneau	Male	51	1810	Lower Canada	Married
41	Elizabeth	Ele??tey	Female	29	1832	Stats Unis	Married
42	Ars??ne	Geleneau	Male	17	1844	Stats Unis	Single
43	Amable	Geleneau	Male	10	1851	Stats Unis
44	Etienne	Geleneau	Male	2	1859	Stats Unis
45	Marie ??	Geleneau	Female	8	1853	Stats Unis
46	Marguerete	Geleneau	Female	5	1856	Stats Unis
47	Su?? Jaime	Geleneau	Female	3	1858	States Unis

malheureusement m cantin je n ai pas acces a aucun de ces fichiers, je ne suis pas membre. Avez vous résolu l énigme?

Nous regardons pour Andre Gelineau et Anglique Frechette marie 22 oct 1798 a Longueil, St-Antoine de Padoue,

Celui-ci a un Etienne:

Andre Gelineau
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Birth:  Nov. 21, 1768 Longueuil Quebec, Canada Death:  Jun. 17, 1831 Sainte-Martine Quebec, Canada [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image]   Family links:   Spouse:   Angelique Frechette Gelineau (1770 - 1826)    Children:   Stephen Saleno (1802 - 1870)*   Pierre Gelineau (1803 - 1833)*   Narcisse Gelineau (1804 - 1816)*   Anicet Gelineau (1808 - 1880)*   Samuel Gelineau Sleno (1819 - 1872)*   *Calculated relationship   Burial: Sainte-Martine Old Cemetery  Sainte-Martine Monteregie Region Quebec, Canada   Created by: Richard Prout Record added: Aug 27, 2015  Find A Grave Memorial# 151325345	[Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image] [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image]

pas le bon:

Stephen Saleno
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Birth:  Aug. 17, 1802 Montreal Region Quebec, Canada Death:  May 28, 1870 Mount Clemens Macomb County Michigan, USA [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image] The French name is Gelineau in the records.    Family links:   Parents:   Andre Gelineau (1768 - 1831)   Angelique Frechette Gelineau (1770 - 1826)    Spouse:   Amelia Vincent Saleno (1814 - 1901)*    Children:   Michel Gelineau (1832 - 1834)*   Stephen Vincent Saleno (1833 - 1899)*   Joseph Vincent Saleno (1847 - 1924)*    Siblings:   Stephen Saleno (1802 - 1870)   Pierre Gelineau (1803 - 1833)*   Narcisse Gelineau (1804 - 1816)*   Anicet Gelineau (1808 - 1880)*   Samuel Gelineau Sleno (1819 - 1872)*   *Calculated relationship   Burial: Saint Peter Cemetery  Clinton Township Macomb County Michigan, USA   Created by: Richard Prout Record added: Feb 14, 2016  Find A Grave Memorial# 158173323	[Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image] Cemetery Photo [color:8941=666666]Added by: [color:8941=666666]Alice & Don Bauer   [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image] [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image] Photos may be scaled. Click on image for full size. [Vous devez être inscrit et connecté pour voir cette image]

Bonjour est-ce qu un administrateur du site pourrait mettre le dossier de Etienne Gelineau et elisabeth estly  dans le dossier ENIGME afin que celui ci puisse etre résolu un jour,,,,,,sait on jamais si quelqu un aurait quelque chose

Merci

marc gélineau

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3.OSIAS3 GELINEAU (JEAN ANTOINE2, ETIENNE1).He married CATHERINE DENIS July 06, 1908 in Shefford County Quebec10. 
      
Children of OSIAS GELINEAU and CATHERINE DENIS are: 

	i.		EMILE[size=undefined]4 G[/size]ELINEAU, m. ARMANDO DAIGNAAULT, June 17, 1940, St. Jean County Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]
	ii.		ANGELINA GELINEAU, m. EDOUARD LAMARCHE, June 15, 1926, Granby Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]

4.ADELARD3 GELINEAU (JEAN ANTOINE2, ETIENNE1).He married EVA DENIS August 28, 1906 in Shefford County Quebec10. 
      
Children of ADELARD GELINEAU and EVA DENIS are: 

	i.		JOANNE D'ARC[size=undefined]4 G[/size]ELINEAU, m. MARCEL L'ETOILE, May 20, 1950, St. Jean County Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]
	ii.		GERARD GELINEAU, m. CLARISSE POIRIER, September 03, 1949, St. Jean County Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]

5.DARIUS3 GELINEAU (JEAN ANTOINE2, ETIENNE1).He married ADELINE FOURNIER January 22, 1900 in Shefford County Quebec10. 
      
Children of DARIUS GELINEAU and ADELINE FOURNIER are: 

i.

HENRI[size=undefined]4 G[/size]ELINEAU.

[color:c77a=0000C0]More About HENRI GELINEAU: Occupation: 1953, cultivateur

	ii.		IDE GELINEAU, m. ZOTIQUE BOURBONNAIS, November 05, 1924, Shefford County Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]
	iii.		ADELINE GELINEAU, m. JOACHIM FONTAINE, July 27, 1927, Shefford County Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]
	iv.		YVONNE GELINEAU, m. HENRI FONTAINE, July 16, 1928, Shefford County Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]
	v.		GERMAINE GELINEAU, m. J.P. EMILE ROGER, January 04, 1941, Shefford County Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]
	vi.		ANGELINE GELINEAU, m. LEO ST. MARTIN, June 11, 1928, Shefford County Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]

6.JOSEPH GEORGES3 GELINEAU (JEAN ANTOINE2, ETIENNE1).He married PHEBEE BEAUDRY September 15, 1896 in Shefford County Quebec10. 
More About JOSEPH GEORGES GELINEAU:
Burial: Granby Quebec
More About PHEBEE BEAUDRY:
Burial: Granby Quebec
      
Children of JOSEPH GELINEAU and PHEBEE BEAUDRY are: 

	i.		YVONNE[size=undefined]4 G[/size]ELINEAU, m. TREFLE FOURNIER, February 11, 1925, Shefford County Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]
	ii.		ALPHA GELINEAU, m. MARIE-ELISE GILBERT.
	iii.		ALDEI GELINEAU, m. MARIE-ANGE COMPTOIS, February 05, 1940, Granby Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]
8.	iv.		RENE GELINEAU.
	v.		GERMAINE GELINEAU, m. WILLIE LAPIERRE.
	vi.		LIONEL GELINEAU, m. MONIQUE DUMOULIN, August 25, 1945, Granby Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]
	vii.		LORETTE GELINEAU, m. GEORGES LECLAIR, August 10, 1935, Granby Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]

[color:c77a=0000C0]More About GEORGES LECLAIR: AKA (Facts Pg): [size=undefined]10 [/size]

	viii.		ROSAIRE GELINEAU.
	ix.		DORILE GELINEAU, m. FRANCOISE LABBE, September 06, 1948, Granby Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]
	x.		HONORE GELINEAU, b. January 1900; m. AURORE EVA JETTE, August 01, 1922, Shefford County Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]
9.	xi.		ALBERT GELINEAU, b. July 05, 1902; d. June 03, 1986, Ste Hyacinthe, Quebec.
10.	xii.		CAMILLE GELINEAU, b. December 1903.

7.EXILDA3 GELINEAU (JEAN ANTOINE2, ETIENNE1).She married ISRAEL GELINEAU February 18, 1889 in Shefford County Quebec10. 
      
Child of EXILDA GELINEAU and ISRAEL GELINEAU is: 

i.

ISRAEL[size=undefined]4 G[/size]ELINEAU, m. LAURENTINE MARTINEAU, May 19, 1927, Shefford County Quebec[size=undefined]10.[/size]

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Resurrecting this dead threat, because I think I have found a solution. Apologies for the length of this post.


Quebec Catholic marriage records almost always name the parents of the couples being married. There are, however, occasional exceptions. One of the most striking of these is a cluster of four persons, born about the same time, all named Gelineau, whose marriage records do not name their parents. These are:
1.       Rosalie Gelineau married Amable Robert on 21 Oct 1834 at Napierville.
2.       Victoire Gelineau married Moise Robert, Amable’s brother, on 12 Apr 1836 at St-Mathias-sur-Richelieu.
3.       Nicolas Gelineau married Elisabeth Racicot at St Valentin on 10 Jan 1843.
4.       Etienne Gelineau married Elisabeth Estley at Longeueil on 5 Aug 1861. These had previously been married in the US, presumably in a heretic ceremony; Elizabeth and their four children had received Catholic baptism the previous day.

The reasons for this remain obscure, but it is unlikely to be a coincidence.

Could the four Gelineau’s be siblings? PRDH states that Rosalie and Victoire are sisters in their on-line records. They both lived in Napierville, as did the two brothers they married, so this seems likely. As for Etienne, a Rosalie Gelineau is named as marraine to his daughter Francoise in her Catholic baptism at Longeueil, and two of Victoire’s children, Alphonse and Melina Robert, were parrain and marraine to his youngest child Etienne. As well, the families of Victoire and Etienne appear consecutively in the 1861 Census at St-Antoine-de-Longeueil, which suggests that they lived in the same household, or at least were immediate neighbors.

Approximate birthdates can be inferred from Census and death records. Etienne’s birth year is about 1810 according to both the 1861 census and his burial record. Rosalie was born around 1813 according to the census records and her burial record; the 1861 census states she was born in St-Valentin. Victoire was born around 1819 according to most census records and her burial record, but around 1815 in the 1861 Census. Nicolas’s Massachusetts death record states that he died at the age of 61 years, 7 months, and 18 days, which would place his birth date as Oct. 8 1819, in approximate agreement with most census records, except for the 1870 US Census which gives it at around 1822. The burial record also states that Nicolas’ father’s name was also Nicolas Gelineau.

The death record of Nicolas’ son Charles states that Nicolas was born at St-Valentin, like his sister Rosalie, so this looked like a good place to start. Unfortunately, the parish of St-Valentin was not established until 1830, so this did not help much. A more general search of baptismal records found only one which fit parameters: one dated 1 Dec 1818, at St Luc, with the birth date stated as 13 Oct 1818. The parents’ names were stated as Nicolas Gelino and Louise Demers, who are described as being in a legitimate marriage.

Could this be the same Nicolas Gelineau that married Elisabeth Racicot? And could the parents be the same as those of the other three Gelineau? Well, the 1851 Census record of Rosalie Gelineau’s household has an entry for a person born around 1776, and identified as “veuve Nicolas Gelineau.” Then, in the 1861 Census the entry for the Victoire Gelineau household has an entry for a person, also born in 1776 and likely the same person. Her name is Marie Louise Demers. It thus appears likely that these are the parents of all four Gelineau.

As it happens, there are two additional baptismal records of interest at St Luc (merci a jeanne). There is a baptism on 2 Jun 1816 for a Victoire (no surname cited) who was born illegitimately of unknown parents at St-Valentin on 5 Mar 1815, and one on 3 Feb 1811 for a Rosalie born illegitimately at St-Valentin on 13 Oct 1810. There is also a record for one Benoni who was born illegitimately of unknown parents at St-Valentin on 4 Feb 1816 and baptized at the same time as Victoire. There does not appear to be any further records for this Benoni, so it is possible that this is the same person as Etienne Gelineau.

So the chronology that emerges is one of a relationship between Nicolas Gelineau and Louise Demers which resulted in at least three children out of wedlock before a marriage took place between 1816 and 1818. Unfortunately, a search for a marriage record for these two individuals proved fruitless, so the brick wall is moved back only one generation. However, DNA proved useful here. I personally have DNA matches with two of Etienne Gelineau’s great-great-grandchildren, and with one of Victoire Gelineau’s. The sensitivity of the spit technology underlying retail DNA tests limits its capture to about seven generations, and this in term narrows the size of the search perimeter necessary to identify the common ancestor. As it happens, there is only one Nicolas Gelineau in my extended family tree that satisfies requirements: my third great-granduncle, born 24 Mar 1753 at Longeueil to Nicolas Gelineau and Marie Louise Bourdon, who would be the long-sought-after common ancestors. His second wife, Marie Anne Watson, died in 1810, which fits the rest of the hypothesized chronology reasonably well.

Comments welcome.

Gelineau dit Daniel:

Have you looked at the following site....I find many of your references...
sometimes, the spelling is a bit off...but interesting !

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Roger,

Thanks for the citation. Unfortunately, the part of the Gelineau tree that interests me branches out after Generation 3, where there is a passing reference to Nicolas Gelineau and Marie Louise Bourdon, from whom these Gelineau descend.

There is a reference here on Generation 5 to a Rosalie Gelineau born August 4 1792 at Chambly. It is stated that this Rosalie married Amable Robert. I don't believe this is correct. The Rosalie Gelineau that was born on that date died Dec 28 1795 according to PRDH.